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 Post Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:35 pm 
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There's still very little in mainstream media about Long COVID here in the US, as well -- I would say that I see it because I scan lots of news articles on many sources, so I see articles that aren't prominent for most people who actually read news. Forget about video/TV news as that's always blurbs about the latest top stories only.
I shook my head at his repeated nonsense regarding not catching COVID to prevent Long COVID. As you said, it spreads like the common cold these days and people treat it as such. In NJ masking was already pretty rare before we moved earlier this year, but here in VA it is even more rare. I went to the grocery store on Tuesday and was surprised to see another customer, a young woman (probably in her 30s), wearing a mask and even more surprised when the young man (20s) monitoring the self checkout lanes was actually wearing a face mask!

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Some what appear to be good news articles about Long Covid just caught my eye, the first is about probiotics, which if you've been following my experience you'll know i used and got a lot of relief from the chronic gastrointestinal pain i was in at that time... another seems to be about how Covid-19 effects genes within the human body that looks like, could be the cause of Long Covid.

The probiotics, or synbiotics as the authors call it...

Synbiotic formula shows promise in reducing long COVID symptoms:
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20231211/Synbiotic-formula-shows-promise-in-reducing-long-COVID-symptoms.aspx
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In a recent study published in the journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases, researchers investigated the efficacy of a novel synbiotic preparation named SIM01 against the symptoms of post-acute COVID-19 syndrome. They tested the formulation on a Hong Kong-based study cohort comprising 463 patients over the course of six months.

Their findings highlight that SIM01 supplementation significantly alleviated fatigue, bolstered memory, and improved concentration in these cases compared to the controls. Furthermore, general unwellness and gastrointestinal distress were significantly reduced in the cohort receiving SIM01.

This study marks one of the first steps in treating this hitherto prevalent yet poorly understood and untreatable condition. It may be the basis for future gut microbiota remedies for long COVID.

Published paper can be found here:
A synbiotic preparation (SIM01) for post-acute COVID-19 syndrome in Hong Kong (RECOVERY): a randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial:
https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(23)00685-0

As an aside, i'm no medic so i'm stuggling a bit with why this Chinese paper claims to be among the first to know this, as a result of the UK Phyto-V study it should be well known that the gut microbiome plays an important part in Long Covid symptoms... indeed, a probiotic specifically designed to combat some of the symptoms of Long Covid has been available for a long time now... i'm left wondering if there is something in their formula that is a huge step forward because if there is it isn't immediately obvious?
cf. https://phyto-v.com/

Moving on...

The first major set of genetic associations found in long COVID:
https://www.drugtargetreview.com/article/113093/the-first-major-set-of-genetic-associations-found-in-long-covid/

Sadly i can't see a link to the study, i suspect that means it's probably behind a paywall? Nonetheless, it is a fascinating read that still makes sense to me if you skip over the more technical jargon.

To close out, i'm always fascinated with what the Australian media say about Covid-19, mostly because they never really experienced it until until they opened their borders again in 2022, meaning everything that's happened there has been compressed and happened extremely quickly.

Long COVID cases will likely increase with each new wave, so why are we closing clinics?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-12/long-covid-clinics-are-closing-as-us-clinic-expands/103186272


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I've done my best not to quote entire articles here, but this feels like one of those times i don't have a choice because it exemplifies exactly what living with Long Covid is:

Long Covid makes me feel like I've disappeared from the world
Source: https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/12/16/long-covid-makes-me-feel-like-ive-disappeared-from-the-world/

The irony that the loudest voices are now coming from the antipodes, who were the last to experience this awful affliction is also not lost on me.

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1News Reporter Joy Reid, who has been battling Long Covid throughout 2023, describes the difficult journey back to health and the strain it puts on her family.

“Mum, I’ve told Santa that I don’t want any presents this year if he can make you better.”

That was the moment I broke. My seven-year-old daughter asking Santa to heal me made me realise how much Long Covid isn’t just affecting me, it’s impacting the entire family.

Two years ago, I was a fit, active, bubbly and social. An energetic journalist, mother of three, wife and CEO of a small charity. I would pride myself on my career, the juggle and how much I could fit into a day, often on little sleep (thanks to my night-waking toddler).

Now, I’m mostly housebound. I nap each day, I can’t work, I can’t easily socialise or look after my children for long periods or carry out household chores. Even washing my hair can be a challenge at times.

I can’t handle loud environments, I struggle to walk more than a few hundred metres at a time and I have purchased a wheelchair to get around on my bad days. My heart is doing funny things, I have regular headaches and my sensory and autonomic nervous system functions are out of whack. The list goes on.

Long Covid is an emerging area of health, or in layman’s terms, not much is known about it. Experts predict anywhere from 2 to 20 per cent of people who get Covid-19 will get Long Covid in varying degrees.

In the US they call Long Covid sufferers the “missing millions”. And I know why, because it makes you disappear from the world as you knew it.

I’m 18 months post-infection, and nine months since my symptoms escalated. While Covid seems ‘sooooo last year’ for most of the population, for some of us, it’s our daily reality.

With no obvious cure, it can feel like a very long and lonely journey at times.

The thing is, Long Covid also has a dramatic effect on everyone in the sufferer’s support network. They are the ones picking up the slack and are also missing out.

“It’s so unfair you have Long Covid,” the kids say as I again explain why I can’t watch their sport or take them to the movies or go for a bushwalk. Long Covid has redefined much of our 2023.

My brain and body don’t function like they used to. On my bad days, the brain feels like it’s filled with sludge and I am dragging weights off every limb. It’s a constant battle with wanting to do things but the body not being willing to participate.

I’m writing this piece over several better days (with breaks) in the hope it might help someone else understand and give a voice to those still suffering with this virus. That’s where I get my hope from, reading the stories of others with it and knowing I’m not alone.

Unhelpful comments

I mostly look normal from the outside, except on the days when my complexion is a bit grey. But people who know aren’t sure how to talk to me.

There are those who mean well and say, “Oh, you’re looking so much better,” not realising that the only reason they’re seeing me is because I’ve rested for days beforehand and will have to again when I’m home.

Then there are the vocal sceptics, who share their unhelpful doubts. “It’s in your head,” they say. “It’s due to your Covid vaccination,” or they simply laugh and ask if Long Covid is actually a thing. I can assure you, it’s a thing!

I call it my Life Interruption as my life looks utterly different now. I’ve struggled with accepting this new me, with the loss of self. Who am I if I’m not able to be journalist - a career I’ve spent nearly 20 years in? Or who am I, if I’m not the mother on the sports field side-lines or at school assemblies (yes, I was always the loud one)?

I am still someone. Someone who hasn’t disappeared, even if that’s very much what it feels like. Someone who hasn’t given up hope.

I’m working with the GP, nutritionist, respiratory physio, sports massage therapist, occupational therapist, health coach and counsellor. I’ve tried hyperbaric oxygen therapy, lymphatic massage, medication and I'm on daily supplements.

I’m trying. But I’ve learned that not one single thing or person is a magician, as much as I’d like them to be. It gives me hope to be trying something though.

The research from overseas suggests people do recover to a point where they can partake in life again, it’s just not always the life they once had.

At the moment I feel like I’m living a gigantic equation, constantly working out if today is a good or bad day, how much energy I have and what to spend it on and what to sacrifice. I feel like I’m always trying, not able to be carefree or to let my hair down for fear of the consequences.

Community of Long Covid sufferers

I’ve found solace with other Long Covid sufferers. And I’ve come to realise, while I can’t control my pace of recovery, I can control my attitude (or at least I try to control it).

I don’t want to get caught up in things I can no longer do, and continuously grieve for what my life used to be so I’ve learned to mostly accept this new life. In fact I’m finding plenty of moments of joy in it - my morning cup of tea, reading books on the couch with my toddler, knitting (a new hobby) and I love my daily naps as they give me a second chance at the day.

But it’s not always easy. This time of year seems tougher - missing Christmas parties, not being able to watch my daughter dance in the Santa Parade and then seeing the kids’ Christmas wish lists saying “for Mum to get better”. If only it were that easy.

It’s been an extraordinarily humbling experience. I’ve had to learn to accept help - not something I’ve traditionally been good at as I was always the “helper”.

I’m adapting to the new normal and I take great pride in celebrating the wins, especially the brain function that’s returning. I’ll take brain health over physical health any day, although I hope I don’t have to choose and that the improved brain health precedes the physical recovery. Fingers crossed.

But it’s not my journey alone. It’s important to acknowledge the toll this journey is taking on those around me. My kids make no secret of how frustrating this is for them, but it has also fallen on my colleagues, extended family, neighbours, friends, and of course my very patient husband to help survive this season. However long it lasts.

It’s impacting on all of them a lot too.

I owe them so much and I’m so very grateful to them. It’s in these moments that you realise how lucky you are to be surrounded by so much love.

I don’t know what the end of this story looks like or when it will come, but I know it’d be easy to get lost in the pages. For me, the key to making it to the end will be in finding joy in the little things, and laughing as often as I can. Because having people to walk this journey with is more than enough reason to smile.

Every day my 10-year-old asks, “How would you rate today, Mum? Out of 10, with 10 being the best, and one being you’re almost dead?”

These past days I’d say a solid five. But we all know it might not last, so I’ll make the most of the fives in case tomorrow is a two. Deep down, I’m hoping for a Christmas miracle and it’s closer to 10.


The only thing i could add to what Joy Reid said would be this, imagine experiencing all that in 2020 when you couldn't access medical care and being left with no idea why or what was happening to you... abscent of any diagnosis/prognosis as to whether you would survive or not.

I'm not ashamed to admit i was terrified that for the first time in my life i spent months crying every night before i closed my eyes to go to sleep because i didn't know if i'd wake up the next day, that's something i hope Joy nor anyone else ever has too experience.


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Thank you for sharing this. It's a sad state of affairs that we are no closer to a cure for this very real and very terrible effect of a COVID infection for some people. I can't imagine how terrifying and frustrating it was for you to be one of the early sufferers and *still* dealing with it years later. :-(

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I can't imagine how terrifying and frustrating it was for you to be one of the early sufferers and *still* dealing with it years later. :-(

I sincerely hope you never find out, what i went through i wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

To say it was horrific would not be an exaggeration.


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Published on the BMJ today as an opinion, it's UK specific but i see no reason why it wouldn't apply to everywhere in the world.

A couple of ponts if you live outside the UK that might help if you read the article:

1. SAGE, the "Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies".
This activation of SAGE was first convened in January 2020 to provide advice on the novel coronavirus, now known as SARS-CoV-2.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/about-sage-and-covid-19

2. Covid-19 inquiry.
The UK Covid-19 Inquiry has been set up to examine the UK’s response to and impact of the Covid-19 pandemic, and learn lessons for the future.
https://covid19.public-inquiry.uk/

Long covid: where are we, what does it say about our pandemic response, and where next?
https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.p2972

There are many valid points raised in the paper, it's also a relatively short read (2-3 minutes) so i've refrained from quoting any of it simply because if i did it could potentially lose some of the context.


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Another good read, Doddie. Thanks for sharing. It really is aggravating to read that funding for treatment trials continues to stall. And fascinating to read about the potential outcome of a "let it rip" policy that was considered early in the pandemic -- yes, it was considered here, too, and many people still subscribe to that idea.

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It's infuriating to me that funding for these trials are being blocked... i don't use the word 'blocked' lightly but when you look at the wider picture what other word is there?

'Let it rip' became the norm when all restrictions were lifted so we are sadly already there.

There is much spoken online about the 'long shadow' of Covid in many areas, be that from science or lived experiences, while in reality the longest shadow is that cast by Long Covid because you never know when it might strike and if it does there will be nothing you can do about it.

The one great advancement that i thought would come out of this pandemic would be a greater understanding of illnesses such as ME/CFS and POTS etc, i still believe that potential exists but the window of opportunity to learn from this pandemic is closing fast (or being shut down) and i don't understand why... it makes me so angry that people like me have suffered in the way we have and nothing appears to be being learned from it.


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I kind of hummed and hawed over whether to post this or not but as you can see i've decided to post a link, i was somewhat hesitant because it isn't a definitive answer but rather a possible way to potentially avoid the worst of Long Covid.

I'd also add that many of the remedies/preventions (those are the wrong words but at time of typing i can think of a better word?) mentioned i used myself and for me they did help alleviate a lot of the discomfort i was in... i wish i'd known what is mentioned in this article back in Jan/Feb 2020 because if i had none of the past 4 years might have happened to me... most notably vitamin D, which i now know is critical to the immune system that due to working night shifts for 19 years along with living in Northern Europe almost certainly meant my Vitamin D levels were defficient and not capable of sustaining a fully functioning immune system that was being invaded by this novel virus.

How to Reduce the Impact of Long Covid
https://keep-healthy.com/long-covid/

For those that don't know, the article mentions a man called Derek Draper, he was the husband of a TV personality in the UK, he sadly recently passed away following Covid-19 infection in April 2020,.. he never fully recovered from that infection.

Derek Draper: Kate Garraway thanks supporters as she deals with 'pain' of husband's death:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67910975


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As always, thanks for sharing.

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Once again, I DO look. I just have no related experience so don't post.

Jay, i never thought you don't look... i'd be more surprised if you didn't :)

On a more serious note i can't thank you enough for opening this corner of the Forum on this subject, i doubt you'll ever know how much of a lifeline it's been for me and for that i'll never be able to thank you enough.

That even now you're allowing the discussion to continue is equally amazing!

As an aside and somewhat off-topic for this thread, i read another article tonight on UK mainstream media that kind of annoyed me so i reached out to the journalist (i hate bounced emails and having to track down people who claim to openly post lol) to get in touch with me if he really wants to know how the state benefits system is treating people with Long Covid in the UK... i don't expect a reply from him but it annoyed me so much i almost felt it was my duty to put myself 'out there' for him to contact me.


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Once again, I DO look. I just have no related experience so don't post.

Jay, i never thought you don't look... i'd be more surprised if you didn't :)

On a more serious note i can't thank you enough for opening this corner of the Forum on this subject, i doubt you'll ever know how much of a lifeline it's been for me and for that i'll never be able to thank you enough.

That even now you're allowing the discussion to continue is equally amazing!

Why amazing? Yes these forums are mostly for computer help but, as with many other such sites, there is not that much activity in that direction. The main point is to help and if your posts help you than help has been given and the site has served its basic function.

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Mostly because as you say, it's a computer Forum and in 2019 would you ever expect to have threads like this open... that decision was yours and yours alone.


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Mostly because as you say, it's a computer Forum and in 2019 would you ever expect to have threads like this open... that decision was yours and yours alone.

I expected the possibility and the decision to add the Covid was not just my decision. I asked the opinion of other staff and it was unanimous to add.

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Exercise makes long COVID worse, and researchers may now know why
https://newatlas.com/medical/exercise-makes-long-covid-worse-muscle-oxygen-mitochondria/

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One of the most consistently reported symptoms of long COVID is the tendency for strenuous exercise to make the condition worse. Not only does long COVID reduce a person’s capacity for exercise but often broader symptoms will flare up in the days following a session. This has been dubbed by researchers post-exertional malaise (PEM), and it’s a relatively strange phenomenon.

In most instances of rehabilitation, exercise is a beneficial thing. And when a patient is struggling with exercise there are usually obvious physiological explanations. Maybe the heart or lungs are not functioning well, or maybe an extended period of illness led to a kind of physical deconditioning where the body has generally weakened.

However, in many long COVID cases there are no obvious signs to explain these exercise limitations. Many patients have been subjected to a barrage of conventional tests only to be told they seem to be completely fine. But several new studies are starting to figure out the mystery behind long COVID PEM. And although the findings don’t immediately point to solutions, they affirm these long COVID-related exercise intolerances do have physiological foundations... continues

Links to the original sources can be found at the end of the above publication.


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A few days ago i posted this in a post which can be found here: https://computerhaven.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=30650#p30650
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...i wish i'd known what is mentioned in this article back in Jan/Feb 2020 because if i had none of the past 4 years might have happened to me... most notably vitamin D, which i now know is critical to the immune system that due to working night shifts for 19 years along with living in Northern Europe almost certainly meant my Vitamin D levels were defficient and not capable of sustaining a fully functioning immune system that was being invaded by this novel virus.

At the time i said i was hesitant to make that post and while i would have stood by my words, and still do, the issue would have been if someone asked me to explain why Vitamin D is so important to the immune system, to explain that was so far over my pay grade i wouldn't have known where to start.

Thankfully Dr Campbell has just uploaded a conversation on YouTube that he had with Dr David Grimes that covers everything i know, and a bit more that i didn't.

The second pandemic
https://youtu.be/sp21CPCVNAw?si=bN4Abc4UGm2j1e-X

The video is 1 hour 23 minutes long and while i appreciate that not everyone has the time to watch a video that long, i would encourage everyone to try and at least give it a chance.


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This sent shivers down my spine, not in a bad way, more because it might help give answers to what happened to me and others like me.
Answers might finally be coming to the surface... add that it may also help ME/CFS etc sufferers as well and you will see why it sent shivers down my spine!

Long covid and long vaccine
https://youtu.be/-Ea3UwYZnrA?si=VDJ5BytXRFUkPsWj

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Professor Robert Clancy has found similarities between long covid and long post covid vaccination syndrome. Here he shares new findings on the theory and practical medical management of these two conditions.

@Masha, i do hope you see this post and watch the video, yes it can be a bit 'technical' in parts but if you want to understand that there was nothing you could do to avoid Long Covid then this is most likely the video for you.
It also explains how Long Covid is almost certainly, if my understanding is correct, an auto-immune disease.


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From Nature.com, this month:

They've released it in 2 formats, text and audio. Both have the same content and i quite like that because it means if you don't have time to read the article you can listen to it 'on the go'.
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Long COVID is a double curse in low-income nations — here’s why
Not only is the prevalence of the condition poorly understood, but it’s also often ignored by physicians and the wider public.

Text version: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-04088-x

Audio version (circa 12 minutes): https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00224-3


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This is a historical Q&A from late 2021 and should be read as such, science has moved on in leaps and bounds since then so if you read this and suffer from ME/CFS please do not think a Covid-19 vaccine will help you, it most likely will do more harm than good.

While not current i would like to add it here because it touches on one of my many unanswered questions, how and why did my first vaccine shot help me in the way it did?

It's dated not long after the period that patients like myself were reporting recovery (of sorts) from Long Covid after a vaccine shot, namely why did a vaccine shot have such a huge impact on my Long Covid recovery?

To this day i've never been able to find an answer to that all important question but it happened, it's important that it shouldn't be forgotten that it happened, more importantly it needs to be answered and for that reason i'm going to quote it word for word here so that if the link disappears or the article gets lost in time it will remain here so that maybe one day it will be answered.

https://meassociation.org.uk/medical-matters/items/long-covid-vaccinations/

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Long Covid seems to have a lot of symptoms in common with ME/CFS and I know that the MEA has been pointing this out since it soon became apparent that some people were not returning to normal health after catching Covid-19.

One of the important differences between Long Covid and ME/CFS appears to be how people with both conditions react to vaccinations. Those with ME/CFS often report an exacerbation of ME/CFS symptoms and this can sometimes be quite severe and persistent. But there are now numerous reports about people with Long Covid feeling a lot better after having a Covid-19 vaccination and in some cases even recovering from Long Covid. Do we know why this is occurring? And could it have any implications for ME/CFS?

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This is a very interesting and important observation.

The simple answer is that we just don’t know why some people with Long Covid are reporting positive reactions to the Covid vaccines. Among the theories that have been put forward are that the vaccine is eliminating persisting pockets of virus, or viral fragments, in tissue. However, the evidence for persisting viral infection in Long Covid isn’t very strong. Another possible explanation is that a vaccine is ‘resetting’ an abnormal over-reactive response to the triggering infection by the body’s immune system. This abnormal immune system response also seems to occur in ME/CFS when the trigger is an infection.

Vaccinations occasionally act as triggers for the development of ME/CFS – which is not surprising given the fact that vaccines work by mimicking the action of an infection on the body’s immune system in order to produce protective antibodies against a specific infection. And infections are the commonest trigger factor for ME/CFS. When it comes to pre-existing ME/CFS, a significant number of people report that vaccinations cause an exacerbation or relapse of symptoms. We do receive occasional reports of people with ME/CFS improving or feeling a lot better after their Flu vaccination and we've heard of some who felt better after their Covid vaccination, but these improvements are often short-lived and don't seem to effect many people.

It’s possible that this improvement is occurring because it involves a vaccination against the infection that caused Long Covid. It is, of course, very unusual for people with ME/CFS to be vaccinated against the infection that triggered their ME/CFS. We will continue to follow this research with interest. If it does turn out that the Covid-19 vaccines are a way of treating Long Covid, possibly by ‘resetting the immune system’, we will have to explore whether some sort of similar immune system challenge could also be effective in ME/CFS. Once we know for certain that vaccinations are having a beneficial effect in Long Covid, and we understand the reasons why, it could have implications for the treatment of ME/CFS.


Fwiw, i consider myself lucky to have had my first vaccine shot when i did... and even luckier i didn't suffer any vaccine induced complications now i know what i know now.
We were told that the Covid-19 vaccines were safe and effective, we are still being told similar, i now know that was a lie even though the authorities still maintain they are safe... note how they never mention 'effective' any more, question that for yourself.

Best i end there before i get into trouble.


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After further reflection it dawned on me i should back up my previous post with some expert opinion so i've gone back and dug up this recent post post from Jan 25th between Dr John Campbell and Professor Robert Clancy:

Ivermectin and vaccine injury
https://youtu.be/qWlf7sbomMQ?si=hhE6TZ8niohV067Z

Please do take the time to watch the video, it really is facinating.


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Doddie, I'm not sure what is being said elsewhere, but here in the US the COVID vaccines are being reported as both safe and effective. All vaccines have the potential for side effects, and in some cases very serious side effects.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html

Recent studies report that the latest formulation is 54% effective - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7304a2.htm

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sboots wrote:
Recent studies report that the latest formulation is 54% effective - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7304a2.htm

With respect Steve that's not what the report says, it actually says:

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Receipt of updated COVID-19 vaccine provided approximately 54% increased protection against symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection compared with no receipt of updated vaccine. Vaccination provides protection against JN.1 and other circulating lineages.
Edited for emphasis.

In other words that means the updated vaccine is 54% more effective than the previous formulation, which given the low bar the previous formulation had it wouldn't be a hard percentage to achieve.

It is known that since Omicron the virus is far less pathogenic, meaning less likely to cause death or serious complications in all age groups but especially in the elderly, who originally were the most vulnerable.
Indeed, the vaccine is now the target of all age groups including the very young who we know are very unlikely to have any adverse effect from the virus no matter the virus variant whatsoever so why it is being given to them?

Also note the article makes no mention about the effectiveness on death or hospitalisation, instead it only discusses the effectiveness against symptomatic infection.

It is known and widely accepted in the medical profession that since the onset of Omicron, which includes the new subsequent JN.1 variant, that natural protection after infection lasts for many months longer than any vaccine ever has so why is the vaccine still being pushed on people is a very legitimate question.

The vaccine is still under emergency use authorisation even though the pandemic has been declared 'over' by the WHO etc, it has not undergone any thorough or long term testing, so why is it still being administered when there is growing evidence it never did what it was claimed to do and, indeed may be causing more harm than good?

There are many many doctors on the ground who say that Omicron was the vaccine we never made, especially in poorer areas like Africa who couldn't afford the vaccine... so why are the likes of the CDC etc hell bent on pushing this vaccine onto ever expanding age groups when there is mounting evidence it is neither proven to be safe nor effective and indeed may be harming people right now, and god forbid into the future?


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I may be out of touch on this but it seems to me that even the most current vaccine is not meant to prevent infection but, rather, to lessen the affects of an infection. Sure, there are cases, I'm sure, where a vaccine has prevented infection but, it seems to me, that is not the goal. It seems to me that the goal is to make what could be a fatal infection one that has much more less drastic results. At least in the U.S. no one is forced to get a vaccine although there are some companies that seem to insist that employees do so. There is no law or government mandate that forces a vaccine.

Shoot, even a flu shot does not prevent getting the flu. It just makes it much more minor.

Please understand that I'm just speaking in general and don't know or understand all the ins and outs of what is being said.

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jaylach wrote:
I may be out of touch on this but it seems to me that even the most current vaccine is not meant to prevent infection but, rather, to lessen the affects of an infection. Sure, there are cases, I'm sure, where a vaccine has prevented infection but, it seems to me, that is not the goal. It seems to me that the goal is to make what could be a fatal infection one that has much more less drastic results.

That's kind of my point Jay, since the Omicron variant Covid-19 has been far less fatal so why are some authorities still persuing this flawed vaccine agenda instead of reading the evidence that shows that for most people natural immunity after a mild infection is far more effective and long lasting than a vaccine shot has never been proven to be, yet they continue to push it based on flawed evidence that they must know is no longer relevant?

Whether you believe the vaccine is causing more harm than the authorities above are telling us is rather a moot point, the real point is why are they still pushing the vaccine when there is growing evidence it's not true that they reduce immunity or lessen the effect of infection any more?

Take Steve for instance, i see him as a highly educated man with impeccable credentials, yet he seems to have been sucked in by the wording of the CDC article he shared here. Presumably thinking this 'new' vaccince formula is something to celebrate just because the CDC say it's worthy of note, yet when you actually drill down into what the CDC wrote it's meaningless.
I can't speak for Steve of course so i hope he addresses my concerns with the link he shared.

Jay, if you think back you'll remember that we were told the vaccine would stop the virus dead in its tracks so we would never be symptomatic, that you couldn't spread it to loved ones if you had the vaccine, you would protect yourself from serious illness, later we were even told it would protect you from Long Covid.

Ask yourself how much of that you believe now and if you have any doubts look for the evidence and make up your own mind. It is out there if you look for it.


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